Posted by: Rob Lester | October 21, 2011

Black hole is “too old” for Big Bang

Quasars are extremely bright objects in space. Astronomers believe that the intense light comes from a black hole at the center which produces tremendous energy as matter is superheated as it is pulled in. A massive quasar has been seen recently ( By measuring the red-shift, astronomers have estimated (using Big Bang assumptions) that this quasar is 12.9 billion light-years away. Counting backwards on the Big Bang/evolutionary clock, that would mean that this quasar and its black hole existed in this present view when the universe was “merely” 770 million years old. Answers in Genesis pointed out: “But this black hole has a mass two billion times that of the Sun. The big bang idea demands that time elapse for massive objects like that to form, and 770 million years just isn’t enough time.BBC News writer Jonathan Amos said, “Scientists are struggling to explain how these objects could have evolved so big, so fast.” Even Chris Willott of the Canadian Astronomy Data Centre commented, “It is safe to say that the existence of this quasar will be giving some theorists sleepless nights.” Astronomers have been forced to consider “alternative explanations for light-travel-time.” Meaning that light may not have always travelled at the same speed it presently does. Time-dilation theories put forth by creationists explaining how distant starlight could coexist with a young earth have been laughed at by evolutionists. But now even Big-Bangers are turning to similar explanations as they scratch their heads over this (and other) surprising inconsistencies. (item #3)



  1. If the universe was only 770 mya at the time of that quasar’s formation, then it’s possible and likely it was an extremely massive star. Take into consideration that the more massive, luminous, and energetic the star, the shorter its lifespan. The largest stars in the Universe only live for a couple hundred million years. Our star, which is small and insignificant, not the brightness, not the most massive nor energetic, will go on for another 5 billion years. Smaller stars like Red Dwarfs, can go on for billions more, maybe trillions. Thus, the short lived, massive stars burn up their fuel quickly, go supernova and providing thereby the raw materials for life and for all the heavy elements we use aside form Carbon and light elements, and if massive enough can collapse into a black hole… mean production time for the black hole approximately 150 million years form the birth of the start to the death of the star…. stellar cores collapse in a fraction of a second, mind you. Now, the rest of that short time frame, depending on the density of matter in the area of the supernova, the black hole just might end up on a “feeding frenzy”… If this hole has any hand in the creation of a proto-galaxy, it’s possible you get a quasar on your hands sometime within the 12.9 billion years it takes for all that light to reach earth.

    When the Universe was young, things were hectic. at 770 million years old, galaxies weren’t’ quite there yet, but the first quasars were around. Stars back then were also monstrously huge because of the sheer density and abundance of matter, predominantly hydrogen, at the time… thus, I refer back to Bigger stars don’t last as long… I would humbly estimate that the average size of a star way back when would make VV Chephi A look rather small.

    • Ayeka Kel,
      Thank you for taking the time to make such a detailed and reasoned response. I disagree with many of the assumptions you (and others) make regaarding the Big Bang, but I genuinely appreciate you adding information to the debate. Thanks again for your comment.

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